AIRBENT

A friend and I had a really drawn-out conversation today ruminating on the fact that Kurt is the exact sort of performer that a program like NYADA would have no idea what to do with, whereas Rachel is the exact generic ingenue that they would be drooling all over to get their hands on.  Easy to package, easy to sell, easy to send out to get hired in leads and say “Check her out!  We made her!” Instant cred for your program at minimal effort and risk.  While, from their perspective, Kurt might study there for years and years and not ever be able to land anything more than comic backup roles for the rest of his life.  That’s not going to make your prestigious school look very prestigious.

I hope that it turns out that Whoopi was actually pressured by the administration to go for the less risky choices this year; I’d be impressed if that ends up being the rationale they use for Kurt’s rejection, because it’d be absolutely true to life and ties back to some of Kurt’s recurring worries throughout the season.  And it’d be a bit of an eye-opener for Rachel as well, her admission being revealed as an easy investment instead of something she actually earned.

I know that most fans were crushed by the results of the episode, but I just can’t help but see upsides all around, here.  There is just so much they could do with these turn of events.  I really have to reiterate, I saw more plot potential for the upcoming season in those last ten minutes than virtually anything I saw in the last ten months.  It reminds me of something I mentioned, way back during the season 1 finale, where it was shown that the judges of the competition — celebrities and members of the upper-class out there in the glamorous world beyond Lima, movers and shakers all — were no less oppressive and broken as the self-demolishing system of bullies within Lima itself.  That prevailing infrastructure of labels and stigmas and being pegged as “winners” or “losers” at one glance isn’t constrained by city limits.  It’s out there still, everywhere, waiting for the freaks and geeks of the glee club to challenge it.  And by god, I want to see that challenge.

And I can’t help but think of the recent vulture.com interview that Ryan Murphy did, where he mentioned that when he tries to be experimental and risky with every new season, he always gets the frustrated responses demanding things go back to the way it was in the first place…except that those experiments and those risks are what made the show what it is “in the first place,” while playing it safe is what makes for — excuse my French — the most boring fucking shit storylines.  I really hope Murphy doesn’t take his ball in go home, in this of all cases.  I want him to take this ball and roll with it to its utmost, take it to wherever he’s planned for it to go, because that’s what has made this show what it is from day one.

Overthinking: The Avengers

So.  The Avengers.

Everyone seems to like it, but one of the things I’ve been noticing about the reception is the general, “Wow hey it was pure blockbuster entertainment, turn off your brain, there was no subtext, it’s just big dumb and loud” sort of reviews of the film.

And I’m gonna be a bit rude for a second, but I really have to say that anyone who thinks that film lacked a theme or a message of any kind in lieu of “mindless blockbuster entertainment” probably didn’t hear any dialogue in the film that they couldn’t turn into something fascist.

First off, let me go on a huge a tangent here, as well as committing nerd  blasphemy, and say that I hated Watchmen, in both of its incarnations.  And I’m about to tell you why.

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abramlincoln:

brianwilly:

…Oh wow, but can we not present Blaine making out with Rachel as him somehow “fucking up with Kurt”?

He was single, he wasn’t dating Kurt, he could make out with whoever the hell he likes, there’s no reason whatsoever for him to feel even a little bit bad about it, and Kurt was a giant shithead in that episode, yeah I said it, deal.


Hahaha, are you fucking kidding me?

He knew Kurt liked him. He only went to that party because Kurt took him there. And then, right in front of him, he made out with his friend.

Both Blaine and Rachel were then even bigger assholes going on a date and not even trying to make Kurt understand. They kind of had this “well we’re doing it so suck it up” attitude and it was disgusting.

I must say Rachel was worse in this episode, but Blaine was an asshole. I’m sorry you can’t take Blaine down from his podium to realise that.

Yes, Blaine knew that Kurt liked him…and told Kurt that he didn’t want to date Kurt at the time.  Should he then be expected to stop dating people entirely, just to spare Kurt’s fragile little feelings?  That’s completely ridiculous.

Kurt was not Blaine’s boyfriend.  Blaine had no obligations whatsoever to be celibate on his behalf…and if Kurt really did expect that from him, then he was being completely immature and unreasonable, and that’s not even considering the virulent biphobic attitudes he displayed.  End of story.

:)

post-DWS Klaine thoughts

Y’know, I disagree that the tensions between Kurt and Blaine were necessarily “out-of-nowhere,” invented specifically for this episode.  I don’t think they were at all.

The theme of their troubles this week was basically about how unspoken issues and resentments will grow over time, and how it’s important to be open and communicative in order to prevent that from happening.

The fact that Kurt is going away is revealed as the core of Blaine’s concerns, something that’s been unspoken and presumably un-dealt-with between them (And Blaine is established as the sort of guy who lets things simmer, while putting on a brave and polite face, to the point where they grow ugly and unmanageable).  And the main thrust of the “counseling session” between the two was about Blaine letting out his frustrations at Kurt, as it should be, because he was 100% the wronged party here.

But what about what Kurt’s been unhappy about?  Well, the “alpha gay” line hearkens back to some of Kurt’s resentments in the very second episode of the season, and the fact that Kurt brings up Rachel and Sebastian (twice for Sebastian) is very telling…these are all subplots that the show never resolved to anyone’s satisfaction!  These are issues that Kurt and Blaine never talked about, the issues that establish the core problem between the two in this episode.

Blaine is going to be the guy that all the boys and girls flirt with, the guy that everyone wants.  He’s the one who passes, the one who will get the roles, the one who is stereotypically desired.  Kurt knows it, he’s brought it up before, and he’s bringing it up now.  And this week, for once, Kurt is the object of someone else’s courtship, someone who’s totally cool and not a creepy bully; in that sense, I can totally see Kurt losing his head a little and downplaying his own actions here.

And I can see how this episode could have been “set up” better.  Perhaps we should have seen Blaine’s resentments growing bit by bit over the course of several episodes (or maybe just one).  That’s one way to do it, and would have been cool.  But the issues between Kurt and Blaine in this episode hinge upon unresolved plotlines…in other words, tensions between the two that should have been brought up, but haven’t.  Isn’t the point that these resentments are unspoken and bottled up and thus unresolved?  I find that adds something interesting and engrossing to their problems here.

Blaine thoughts post-Big Brother

I think it’s pretty safe to say now that Blaine longs for approval that he doesn’t always receive from the most important sources.

Now, if this was the very first episode of Glee that someone watched, I think that Blaine’s resentment of Cooper would come across like simple jealousy…and I do think that jealousy does factor a bit here.  Or, rather, I think it’s interesting that both of the times Blaine has blown up at someone on this show — at Sam, and at Cooper — has been a result of the masses lavishing attention and praise at someone who, from Blaine’s perspective, hasn’t really earned it.  Remember that Blaine initially connected with Kurt due to the fact that both of them needed someone to pay attention to what they were going through, but “no one really cared.”

But as much as I don’t want to completely remove jealousy from Blaine’s emotional equations here, the real major reason he resents Cooper becomes clear when he tells Cooper upfront: “You’re my brother!  Can’t you just support me?”  We can tell that Blaine is serious here because he’s shouting really loudly.

And at first, this outburst might seem strange, because the fact is that…well, Cooper really hasn’t actually treated Blaine that badly in this episode, has he?  He’s just a big ol’, uncomprehending douchebag, but it’s clear that he likes Blaine and likes hanging out with Blaine.

Well the problem is that “hanging out with Blaine” means a constant and frequent stream of criticisms.  Going back through Cooper’s dialogue in the episode, it becomes clear that he doesn’t give one single compliment to Blaine (pre-STIUTK) that doesn’t come with a backhanded caveat.

And criticism given with a giant smile on the face?  Is still critical.  It doesn’t feel less disapproving just because it’s given with love and goodwill.  Cooper explains by episode’s end that he’s constantly hard on Blaine (…lol…..?) because he wants Blaine to be as amazing as he knows Blaine really is.  And how many times have any of us heard that little nugget from our family members?  How mitigated is the pain of hearing “You’re not good enough” just because it’s being said with love?

The fact is that you don’t have to be malicious or mean to be hurtful to others.  Parents can be hurtful towards their kids out of love just as easily as they can be hurtful out of malice…and, honestly, the former is more likely than the latter.  This really fits with my “Blaine’s dad isn’t actually a giant stern asshole” thoughts because, if Mr. Anderson is anything like Cooper at all, this explains virtually everything.  It’s possible that, by his constant criticism,  Cooper is only reiterating his love for Blaine in the way that he himself was taught: with frequent criticism, given with a smile and a ruffle of the hair and a “You did okay, but you can do much better.”

And y’know, I think that really would have worked for Cooper.  He seems like the exact sort of dense, gung ho, slam against the barricades sort of guy who would thrive under duress (or let it slide right off).  But what might have worked for Cooper?  Probably doesn’t work for Blaine.  That’s the thing about pain and emotions: different for everyone!

Being constantly criticized for things, even under the best of intentions, would probably not be an environment that Blaine thrived under.  And if Mr. Anderson is anything like Cooper at all, then — like Cooper — I don’t think he would have any idea at all how much his constant efforts to “help” are actually hurting.  I don’t think he would have any idea how much he’s driving his son from himself, how much Blaine might just really long for any bit of approval.

Because I don’t think that Blaine is somehow inherently incapable of dealing with criticism or anything, I think that he’s really just looking for support from a very specific source…ie, his family members.  I think that the way he emphasized “You’re my brother” when he shouted at Coop is very telling.  Blaine, in general, sets very high standards for himself and is constantly striving to show people what he’s capable of…to prove himself, basically.  And that’s fine, that’s dandy, out there in the world.  But why should he have to prove himself to his own brother, his own father?

Out there in the world, people are constantly judging him already and offering him all sorts of criticism about how he should be.  Why should he have to come home to the same exact thing?  Why can’t it just go without saying that they approve of him regardless?  Why can’t their support be unconditional…isn’t that what family is about?

You’re my brother!  Can’t you just support me?”

crown-of-weeds:

brianwilly:

crown-of-weeds replied to your post: Quartie thoughts post-Big Brother

It’s also factual and canonical that Artie’s self-esteem problems AREN’T tied to his disability, and I’m really troubled by your talk about bringing people down to his level, and the use of “concerning.” There’s some really problematic stuff here.

I’m being honest about the way that the Artie character comes across to me.

I can’t guess at how much or how little Artie’s general self-esteem is tied to his disability, but in regards to his romantic life?  It’s a factor.  The reason that he was angry at Tina in “Wheels” was explicit; he thought she was more like him because she also had a disability, and when it turned out that she didn’t, he felt betrayed.  And his speech to Brittany during “Rumours” really cinched it: “I am constantly worried that other people can do things for you that I can’t.”

If there is going to be a romantic involvement between Quinn and Artie, and especially if it might come about from her being in a wheelchair, this is something about the character that can’t be ignored.

1: Being betrayed because someone was faking a disability has nothing to do with self esteem. Nothing. That’s a projection. 

2: His speech in Rumors was explicitly about “not because I’m in a wheelchair.” I don’t know how that can be any more clear. And you’re misquoting. The line is “If there’s one person in your life who’s providing things for you that I’m supposed to provide,” and it’s a—warranted—line about relationships, intimacy, and cheating.

3: It’s not something to be ignored, but conversations about it are easily mired in societal expectations about disability and people with disability, to the point where they override canon. And that is problematic, and happening here.

4: And that’s laying aside issues such as saying Artie seeking relationships with other disabled people is about “bringing people down to his level” which is seriously offensive phrasing.

5: Artie seeks out relationships with other people with disability. That’s a legitimate thing. That’s not concerning at all, and the attitude, held by most of society, that it is? Causes a lot of problems.

6: Artie definitely has some complicated stuff going around with Quinn. That’s obvious. But it’s really important that conversations about Artie don’t get mired down in the baggage our ableist world thinks should be there, when it’s absent.

I can’t really speak to 1, 2, or 3 so much because I really feel that stuff is a matter of scene interpretation.  But I’d like to defend myself against 4 through 6, if I may.

When I talk about Artie wanting to bring people “down to his level,” I’m talking from Artie’s character perspective and what he may (or may not!  Again, interpretive) be thinking, not what I’m thinking.  If I say, for instance, that Karofsky thinks his sexuality is disgusting, or that Rachel can’t talk to her fathers about sex?  I am not saying that I think homosexuality is disgusting, or that men can’t understand girl problems, nor am I declaring support for these characterizations.  If it seemed like I was making a personal, general judgment about any group of people, I apologize, and I’ll try to be more clear in the future.

I can see why it would be nice to think of Artie as a character whose self-esteem issues aren’t tied to his disability and is entirely uninfluenced by societal values towards the disabled…but I do not agree with that reading.  He constantly and specifically attributes a lot of his own hang-ups — sexual and otherwise — on the fact that he can’t walk.  Is this a good thing for someone to think, especially about himself?  Not at all.  Is it completely possible for Artie to have these sorts of preconceptions and problematic ideas about his own disability, no matter how much of a good example he may strive to be, because he is ultimately a human character who is as influenced by years upon years of social conditioning as everyone else?  I think so, and I don’t think I’m projecting and I think it is supported by the show’s material, but ultimately I can only interpret these characters based on my own experience and understanding, so…

It’s one thing, and would be great, if Artie and Quinn are merely bonding due to their new shared, similar circumstances…which is what seemed to happen in the episode and is why I found it so charming and shippable in the first place.  But if Artie feels like he wasn’t good enough for Quinn when she could walk, but thinks that he is good enough for her now that she can’t walk — again, not saying that this is a good thing for anyone to think, merely saying that this is something that someone could conceivably think — then yes, it is cause for concern.  It suggests that he really does place a tangible value on ability vs disability, which suggests a lot of unfortunate views he may have on himself.

crown-of-weeds replied to your post: Quartie thoughts post-Big Brother

It’s also factual and canonical that Artie’s self-esteem problems AREN’T tied to his disability, and I’m really troubled by your talk about bringing people down to his level, and the use of “concerning.” There’s some really problematic stuff here.

I’m being honest about the way that the Artie character comes across to me.

I can’t guess at how much or how little Artie’s general self-esteem is tied to his disability, but in regards to his romantic life?  It’s a factor.  The reason that he was angry at Tina in “Wheels” was explicit; he thought she was more like him because she also had a disability, and when it turned out that she didn’t, he felt betrayed.  And his speech to Brittany during “Rumours” really cinched it: “I am constantly worried that other people can do things for you that I can’t.”

If there is going to be a romantic involvement between Quinn and Artie, and especially if it might come about from her being in a wheelchair, this is something about the character that can’t be ignored.

Quartie thoughts post-Big Brother

I pretty much ship Quartie for the same reasons I shipped Fabrevans and Samcedes…everything’s sucked so bad for these characters and I just want them to be happy!  And the way that Quinn was laughing with Artie?  We’ve never seen her laugh that way before, not once.

And I think that “I’m Still Standing” is Artie’s first boy-girl duet, yeah?  As far as I can remember?  I don’t think “Imagine” really counts, that was a choir effort.

So yes I’m delighted with Quartie, okay, I would be totally delighted with it as a friendship as well, but shit y’all.  Let me just be honest and say that these two totallys needs to get laids.  Okay.

But if I’m gonna be honest with this storyline, I want to examine it completely and take it to its most brutal conclusions.  Not necessarily the most realistic conclusions, but the most brutal ones.

To me, while there was a sense that Quinn was being overly-optimistic about her chance to walk again, Artie was also being overly-pessimistic.  He wants her to face reality, but unless her doctor was flat-out lying to her, the fact that she might walk again is at least a realistic hope.

So we take that to its most brutal conclusion: is there a sense that Artie might not want Quinn to be able to walk again?

He was incredibly disappointed that Tina didn’t really have a stutter.  He never thought that he was really good enough for Brittany.  The idea that Artie has self-esteem problems is factual and canonical.  The idea that Artie likes girls to be at his level, in some way, is at least some cause for concern.  Whether he would like to actually date Quinn or whether he’s completely just looking out for her as a friend helping out someone who really needs it, isn’t it logical to think that he might actually like the fact that someone else is in a wheelchair as well and might be dependent on him for change?  It might not be a fair thing to think.  But it is logical.

And here’s the thing: the way that Artie talks with Quinn here?  He would have never talked liked that to her before her accident.  I don’t think he would have talked like that to any of his friends, actually.  There is a very subtle and yet noticeable (contradictory, I know) change in his demeanor and inflection and bearing and choice of words when he’s with Quinn in this episode than when he’s…um, well, ever.

And y’know what, I actually kinda like it.  We’ll see how this goes.

crown-of-weeds replied to your post: Thoughts on Finchel post-Big Brother

I mean, Finchel started with Rachel trying to make Finn into someone he wasn’t and falling in love with the idea of that, and Finn being awful to Rachel, so I think this is the natural conclusion. But yeah, it’s an odd choice of story.

Well, I think the idea was that Finn wanted to be that person too, and he liked being the person that he was in glee club more than the person that he was on the football team, so whether Rachel was making him into a different person or the person that he really was, deep down in his marshmallow core, is up for debate.

Thoughts on Finchel post-Big Brother

The entire Finchel dynamic has been reversed.

The core dynamic of these two people, going back all the way to the pilot and lasting pretty much up until the precise exact specific moment where they decided to marry each other because they thought they had nothing else going in their lives, is that both of them believed that the other was better, more deserving, more talented than what their circumstances had forced them to accept.

“You’re very talented.  I should know, I’m very talented too.”

We got the impression that if one of them made it out of Lima and the other didn’t, well, that wouldn’t be a total loss because seeing each other succeed was what made them happy.  They believed in each other when the world at large didn’t, they related with each other against every single odd because they both had big dreams that fit each other, and so it was easy…very easy…to root for them.

And now?  It’s virtually the polar opposite.  Their current relationship is defined by the fact that they don’t take joy in the other’s dreams, and hangs by the thread of everything staying the same as it currently is.  Other people are telling them that they should want more, that they should achieve more…whereas, for Finn and Rachel themselves?  Telling each other that they believe in each other every once in a while almost feels pithy and perfunctory, going through the motions.  If one of them actually succeeds, it will be distressing for the other.

Think about that for a sec: the current dynamic of their relationship is such that it would be harmed by success.  Y’know what that is?  That’s Finn and Quinn.  That’s Will and Terri.  It is the exact sort of thing that Finn and Rachel were originally created as a preferable alternative to.

I don’t know if it’s intentional.  I don’t know if “making something exactly the opposite of what made people root for it in the first place in order to create conflict” is something that any writer would (or should) intentionally do.  It’s a pretty dangerous gamble.  Obviously they’re going to resolve the conflict by season’s end, but the danger comes from the fact that it’s impossible to root for them while the conflict exists…when, in fact, the preferable narrative would be for us to root for them because the conflict exists.

About “parity”

crown-of-weeds:

“But the writers could just show us scenes where Kurt & Blaine are alone together!”

We don’t even know if half the kids actually have parents. We just met Rachel’s Dads, and she is supposed to be our main kid. The vast majority of the action takes place at WMHS, and for the queer kids? That is not safe. Changing that for the queer kids, having their stories take place elsewhere? Would in fact be a double standard.



“But they never get scenes on their own! There is always someone else!”

This is the same for literally every other character. Most scenes have at least three characters present. Every time they focus on another couple, excepting Finchel? It’s because either they’re in the will-they-or-won’t they stage, or there is about to be DRAMA. That is how this show works, and you can think it’s sloppy or brilliant, but it’s not a double standard.


“Very special episode”

You’re creating the problem right there, while handily discounting all evidence that might detract from your claims. I applaud you. However, Glee episodes rotate focus. Calling the ones which put the queer characters in more prominence (while still integrating their stories into the rest of the plot, which makes it not Very Special at all, sorry) Very Special is actually super gross.



“Haven’t had a real conversation.”

See, the fun thing about terms like “real” is that no one can agree on a definition. This is what we call an opinion, not a fact.


“It’s not about physical affection!”

You’re lying.

It has been since OS. Try again, with honesty this time. Maybe do a better job deleting the millions of tumblr posts and LJ comments saying otherwise. It’s been a great rebranding effort, but you need to work harder at covering your trail.


“The straight characters—”

You mean Finchel, don’t you.

Don’t you.

Finchel is the main couple. Kurt and Blaine? Brittany and Santana? Still side characters, and perfectly comparable to Samcedes or Tike or Bartie or any of them.


“The writers—-”

Several of the writers are queer themselves.

The writers do things like have Blaine lean over to give Kurt a kiss on the cheek, which the network makes them cut. They are not the problem.

It’s the network.

And for the network? Money talks. And The First Time? Abysmal ratings.

I’d like to add some addendums — not arguments or disagreements, just addendums — to some of this, with the overlying acknowledgement that I agree with almost everything here.

A) However, the writers being queer themselves doesn’t give them a free pass.  Queer people can and do perpetuate unhelpful attitudes towards the queer community.  Moreover, one type of queer identity isn’t necessarily interchangeable with every other type; a lesbian woman, for instance, is perfectly within her rights to claim that a gay man doesn’t get to appropriate her identity.

B) The thing about Blaine leaning over to kiss Kurt on the cheek is entirely supposition.  We have no idea what Blaine is doing in that moment because he moves out of the frame when he leans towards Kurt.  The fact that so many people seem to be under the impression that a full-on Klaine cheek kiss was filmed for the episode that the editors had to bashfully “cut” out of the finished product seems to be due solely to the unholy power of Tumblr to spread misinformation and embellishment, along with the tendency of fandom to believe something because it desperately wants to.

As we can see from the cap, there’s no way to see what Blaine was doing no matter what was left uncut.  Not only is the kiss itself pretty much invented from the minds of imaginative viewers in the first place, the fact is also that, even if we had lingered on that shot for a few more seconds or a few more minutes or even the entire rest of the episode, we wouldn’t have seen anything anyway because he moves out of the frame.  Maybe Blaine really does kiss Kurt’s cheek.  Maybe he doesn’t.  I wouldn’t know, and neither would anyone else here.  But either way, there’s no way that there exists any footage of it from this shot in this angle to be cut in the first place, and of course the network can’t exactly force anyone to cut something that doesn’t exist.

C) Along those lines, the idea that the network is reticent about showing gay content due to the low-ish ratings of “The First Time” — which I wouldn’t really call abysmal, anyway — is also supposition.  We simply don’t have enough information to reliably claim that.  And it also doesn’t factor in the high-ish ratings of “Original Song,” or any other episode where Kurt and Blaine interact a lot.

D) That being said, the fact is that there has been at least one major gift-exchange scene between Kurt and Blaine that was cut from the Christmas episode.  So I can and do understand why fans might be sensitive about this.

I just wish it wasn’t blown into hyperbole and false equivalencies all the time.  So many times I hear people say things like “There’s no way to even tell that Kurt and Blaine are a couple at all on this show, they might as well just be gay best friends!” and it’s just…ugh, no, I’m sorry, but that’s just empirically untrue.  There is no way for anyone to watch Kurt and Blaine on this show without understanding that they are a couple.  Literally the only way for anyone to think that Kurt and Blaine are just friends on the show is if they turn off the TV when Kurt and Blaine appear.  Except that I keep hearing people claim this and…man, it’s like people will parrot any opinion, no matter how specious, as long as it sounds angry enough. :\

…Though I guess I have that second part covered lol.

ladyneiner:

evarren:

ladyneiner replied to your post: I am so, SO SICK of the complete lack of equal distribution of interracial couples and (non?) interracial couples. I mean, I don’t watch SMASH or anything but those pictures just set me OFF. Idk if you watch Misfits or anything but in that show there are interracial couples left and right! This isn’t anger directed towards you, btw. I’m just ranting. It’s just so fucking annoying and American television is so fucking close-minded!

It’s not that the intraracial couple is offensive. It’s that the show pairs off people of color because interracial couples aren’t okay. Glee does the same thing with Tina and Mike.

but tina also dated artie

and sam and mercedes dated and still have a thing going

it’s like they’re expected to consciously AVOID putting intraracial couples together because otherwise people think they’re assholes for it when really, the couples are just good together

I don’t think they should AVOID putting together people of the same race. It’s just sketchy to me when they put together the only two people of color on the show.

I honestly do get why this bothers people, especially considering the race-centric jokes regarding Mike and Tina (largely diminished in season 3 (except for that Becky line (wtf was that))).

But here’s something to consider: how many recurring Asian couples can we name from any mainstream American TV shows?  Off the top of my head, I can only cite the Korean couple from Lost, which is over.  Any others?  How about any Asian-American couples?

The trend, to me, seems to be that Asian women get paired off with white men while Asian men — when they’re allowed to be sexual at all — are paired off with white women.

So to me, Glee seems like it’s actually bucking an irritating trend by putting Mike with Tina, and tends to do okay with interracial couples in general anyway. (I assume Brittany and Santana count as an interracial couple as well)

Not asking. But I don't think Santana ever was gonna commit suiced she's to tough for that "I'd miss me too much" I think thats the point Kurt and Santana are two tough cookies I think what they are trying to make it seem with Kurt in reallity he's the tuff guy on the show same with Santana. I mean as soon as I hered Finn say the whole "I don't want you die" thing I was she's not going to doing anything She's Santana thats stupid
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I agree that Santana — as far as we know her as a character — would not consider suicide, but I can’t blame Finn for being worried about it anyway and trying to take responsibility for the mess he caused, with his limited knowledge and understanding of her situation.

That being said, I think that a perspective like “I don’t think so-and-so would ever consider suicide” is kind of a dangerous way to think.  We don’t truly know how other people think or how hurt they may be by certain things unless they choose to share it with us, and I know that one of the very first things many people think when someone they know do kill themselves is something like “I never thought s/he would ever do something like that.” The fact is that we always have to be careful.  Using Karofsky as an example, I’m sure lots of people who knew him would never in a million years think that he would try to kill himself.  Even Kurt, Blaine, and Santana — who knew the truth about him — never genuinely considered that possibility.

I will lambaste the way that Finn chose to act in that episode until the cows come home, right along with the rest of Tumblr, but I will never blame him for being worried about Santana and trying to prevent a terrible thing that he thought might be a real possibility.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! :)

There’s the sense that Karofsky’s attempted suicide was done more for shock of the show than character growth of any kind, being that there was virtually zero buildup to the whole tragedy, not an ounce of a hint that whoa, this David kid is really hanging on by a thread. Not until this week, when all of a sudden Sebastian was super rude to him and Kurt was ignoring his phone calls because he didn’t want to date the kid.

Ology.com’s review of On My Way (via awaxwingslain)

I really disagree with this.  In the sense of a television storyline, sure, Karofsky’s storyline could have “built up” more…as could most other storylines on this show.

But in the sense of a realistic depiction of suicide? A) There’s not always a lot of visible signs or build-up leading towards the act, and someone doesn’t need to deliberate about it for weeks on end just to get to that place. B) I thought the episode made it fairly clear that everyone experiences pain differently and to say that Sebastian being rude to him and/or Kurt ignoring him isn’t “enough” to get Dave to that place is very naive, not to mention ignoring the reaction of his teammates and the online messages he was receiving anyway. B2) Kurt and Sebastian were blaming themselves more than anything else, and whether or not their acts really were the instigating factors towards what Dave did is a question only he could answer, which he doesn’t.

And C) If you don’t think Karofsky’s character was a volatile teenager hanging on by a thread to his sanity and self-worth in the first place, well, I dunno what to say.  Suicide was always a real possibility for the character that viewers were guessing at way back during Never Been Kissed.

Blunt opinions under the cut

One thing that I will mention that may not be great about the way this episode depicted suicide is that…

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